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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;The License Plate is Just the Beginning&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Thomas Nephew</title>
		<link>http://newsrackblog.com/2009/01/28/license-plate-just-beginning/#comment-3721</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Nephew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure -- assuming they are compelled to do so.  Most systems envision long data retentions -- 30 days and more.  Rolling access to those data by others would turn the system into a 24/7/365 retrospective surveillance system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure &#8212; assuming they are compelled to do so.  Most systems envision long data retentions &#8212; 30 days and more.  Rolling access to those data by others would turn the system into a 24/7/365 retrospective surveillance system.</p>
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		<title>By: ben Masel</title>
		<link>http://newsrackblog.com/2009/01/28/license-plate-just-beginning/#comment-3720</link>
		<dc:creator>ben Masel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Data retention? the possibilities for abuse are greatly diminished by purging the record as soon as it's established there's no active wants on the car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Data retention? the possibilities for abuse are greatly diminished by purging the record as soon as it&#8217;s established there&#8217;s no active wants on the car.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Moscatiello</title>
		<link>http://newsrackblog.com/2009/01/28/license-plate-just-beginning/#comment-3714</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Moscatiello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One way to approach it is to find out from the Council what safeguards are in place to prevent abuses of this system. And get specifics, and make sure to have as much as possible written into the City code.  And it would be good to think about what some of the abuses might be.  What are some scenarios that we can envision that might lead to this technology being used for something other than the purpose for which it is intended. For example, what would have to happen before one ends up on one of these "watch lists"  Is it driving through certain neighborhoods repeatedly? Running red lights? How does one get off of these watch lists? I think the bottom line is just what you said - thinking through every angle of the issue and formulating written procedures to deal with every possible contingency.  Let me see what I can find out about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One way to approach it is to find out from the Council what safeguards are in place to prevent abuses of this system. And get specifics, and make sure to have as much as possible written into the City code.  And it would be good to think about what some of the abuses might be.  What are some scenarios that we can envision that might lead to this technology being used for something other than the purpose for which it is intended. For example, what would have to happen before one ends up on one of these &#8220;watch lists&#8221;  Is it driving through certain neighborhoods repeatedly? Running red lights? How does one get off of these watch lists? I think the bottom line is just what you said - thinking through every angle of the issue and formulating written procedures to deal with every possible contingency.  Let me see what I can find out about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Nephew</title>
		<link>http://newsrackblog.com/2009/01/28/license-plate-just-beginning/#comment-3712</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Nephew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Jason Laquatra is &lt;a href="http://www.policeone.com/police-products/traffic-enforcement/license-plate-readers/press-releases/1681602/" rel="nofollow"&gt;ELSAG's vice president of field operations&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Jason Laquatra is <a href="http://www.policeone.com/police-products/traffic-enforcement/license-plate-readers/press-releases/1681602/" rel="nofollow">ELSAG&#8217;s vice president of field operations</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Nephew</title>
		<link>http://newsrackblog.com/2009/01/28/license-plate-just-beginning/#comment-3711</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Nephew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, I didn't see your comment until just now; first-time comments are held for approval.  

You write, &lt;em&gt;"The objective of the PD is to offset these threats to the community, not to build a database of non-criminal activity,"&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;"The police are out to protect you, not entrap the innocent."&lt;/em&gt;  That is usually true of police departments, and is no doubt true of our current Takoma Park Police Department.  But (1) as my examples show, it is not always true, (2) we can't see the future, and (3) abuses of a TPPD license plate scanner system may not be due to the TPPD if they happen.

I don't doubt that our police department has good motives, and that there are benefits to the device.  My aim was to show there are costs as well, and that motives aren't enough; we need written procedures that are the product of thinking through every angle of the issue -- assuming we're absolutely sure we have to get the device at all.  There are other ways of increasing our safety -- hiring more police officers, paying them better to reduce turnover, I don't know what all else.  At any rate, I think our job as citizens is not to simply assume the best of government, but to inform ourselves fully and make sure our rights are protected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, I didn&#8217;t see your comment until just now; first-time comments are held for approval.  </p>
<p>You write, <em>&#8220;The objective of the PD is to offset these threats to the community, not to build a database of non-criminal activity,&#8221;</em> and <em>&#8220;The police are out to protect you, not entrap the innocent.&#8221;</em>  That is usually true of police departments, and is no doubt true of our current Takoma Park Police Department.  But (1) as my examples show, it is not always true, (2) we can&#8217;t see the future, and (3) abuses of a TPPD license plate scanner system may not be due to the TPPD if they happen.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that our police department has good motives, and that there are benefits to the device.  My aim was to show there are costs as well, and that motives aren&#8217;t enough; we need written procedures that are the product of thinking through every angle of the issue &#8212; assuming we&#8217;re absolutely sure we have to get the device at all.  There are other ways of increasing our safety &#8212; hiring more police officers, paying them better to reduce turnover, I don&#8217;t know what all else.  At any rate, I think our job as citizens is not to simply assume the best of government, but to inform ourselves fully and make sure our rights are protected.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Nephew</title>
		<link>http://newsrackblog.com/2009/01/28/license-plate-just-beginning/#comment-3710</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Nephew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've now posted a 3 part email series to my neighborhood listserv that adapts and rearranges this post.  No responses yet -- the listserv is naturally more about contractor tips, local events, and so forth.  I replaced some of the introduction above with this:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I believe that acquiring this system should not be a done deal; deciding whether to get it -- and getting it right if we do -- is (or should be) a major undertaking.  The City Council (not the police department) should be taking the lead in deciding whether to get it, and if so, what policies should govern its use.  Some questions weren't asked or seemed to get varying answers: does this system address a specific, compelling community need -- is there a stolen vehicle crime wave I'm unaware of?  Will the system be "on" all the time -- a 24/7 fishing expedition -- or will it be employed for particular purposes under tight control? &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve now posted a 3 part email series to my neighborhood listserv that adapts and rearranges this post.  No responses yet &#8212; the listserv is naturally more about contractor tips, local events, and so forth.  I replaced some of the introduction above with this:</p>
<blockquote><p>I believe that acquiring this system should not be a done deal; deciding whether to get it &#8212; and getting it right if we do &#8212; is (or should be) a major undertaking.  The City Council (not the police department) should be taking the lead in deciding whether to get it, and if so, what policies should govern its use.  Some questions weren&#8217;t asked or seemed to get varying answers: does this system address a specific, compelling community need &#8212; is there a stolen vehicle crime wave I&#8217;m unaware of?  Will the system be &#8220;on&#8221; all the time &#8212; a 24/7 fishing expedition &#8212; or will it be employed for particular purposes under tight control? </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Jason Laquatra</title>
		<link>http://newsrackblog.com/2009/01/28/license-plate-just-beginning/#comment-3709</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Laquatra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criminals pass through Takoma Park every day. A device like this can be used to identify people who have committed carjackings or individuals who pose a threat to children.  The objective of the PD is to offset these threats to the community, not to build a database of non-criminal activity.  This tool gives police a much-needed advantage over criminals, the type of criminals who don't think twice about stealing a car with children in it at gunpoint.  Regarding false positives, law enforcement always conducts a LIVE confirmation to verify any alarm is a match before engaging in a stop.  The police are out to protect you, not entrap the innocent.  Tools like this help ensure that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminals pass through Takoma Park every day. A device like this can be used to identify people who have committed carjackings or individuals who pose a threat to children.  The objective of the PD is to offset these threats to the community, not to build a database of non-criminal activity.  This tool gives police a much-needed advantage over criminals, the type of criminals who don&#8217;t think twice about stealing a car with children in it at gunpoint.  Regarding false positives, law enforcement always conducts a LIVE confirmation to verify any alarm is a match before engaging in a stop.  The police are out to protect you, not entrap the innocent.  Tools like this help ensure that.</p>
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