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	<title>Comments on: We&#8217;re Number 5!  We&#8217;re Number 5!</title>
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		<title>By: Liminal states :: Patriot Act renewal: Time to make some noise. Fortunately, there&#8217;s an app for that!</title>
		<link>http://newsrackblog.com/2009/01/16/were-number-5-were-number-5/#comment-10909</link>
		<dc:creator>Liminal states :: Patriot Act renewal: Time to make some noise. Fortunately, there&#8217;s an app for that!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 17:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of you who worked with us on my.barackobama.com in summer 2008 or in change.org&#8217;s Ideas for Change in America in early 2009 already know the drill. The basic strategy comes down to &#8220;make it easy for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of you who worked with us on my.barackobama.com in summer 2008 or in change.org&#8217;s Ideas for Change in America in early 2009 already know the drill. The basic strategy comes down to &#8220;make it easy for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Quora</title>
		<link>http://newsrackblog.com/2009/01/16/were-number-5-were-number-5/#comment-10894</link>
		<dc:creator>Quora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 04:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Are social networks the new platforms for social activism?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Excellent points.  Totally agreed on the missing pieces today.  One thing I'd say though is that despite existing social networks limitations, they can be effective ways of sending a message to legislators (a Get FISA Right act.ly petition got a Senat...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Are social networks the new platforms for social activism?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Excellent points.  Totally agreed on the missing pieces today.  One thing I&#8217;d say though is that despite existing social networks limitations, they can be effective ways of sending a message to legislators (a Get FISA Right act.ly petition got a Senat&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Get FISA Right Update &#38; Retrospective &#171; Get FISA Right</title>
		<link>http://newsrackblog.com/2009/01/16/were-number-5-were-number-5/#comment-8961</link>
		<dc:creator>Get FISA Right Update &#38; Retrospective &#171; Get FISA Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to conceive and fund 30 second TV ads through SaysMe.TV, taking part in the Change.org/MySpace Ideas for Change, and making sure that our language was adopted as part of the Netroots [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to conceive and fund 30 second TV ads through SaysMe.TV, taking part in the Change.org/MySpace Ideas for Change, and making sure that our language was adopted as part of the Netroots [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ideas for Change 2010: how you can help! &#171; Get FISA Right</title>
		<link>http://newsrackblog.com/2009/01/16/were-number-5-were-number-5/#comment-6652</link>
		<dc:creator>Ideas for Change 2010: how you can help! &#171; Get FISA Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nephew&#8217;s We’re Number 5! We’re Number 5! and Time to celebrate! recount Get FISA Right&#8217;s excellent performance in last year&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Nephew&#8217;s We’re Number 5! We’re Number 5! and Time to celebrate! recount Get FISA Right&#8217;s excellent performance in last year&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What would we like to ask President Obama? &#171; Get FISA Right</title>
		<link>http://newsrackblog.com/2009/01/16/were-number-5-were-number-5/#comment-4294</link>
		<dc:creator>What would we like to ask President Obama? &#171; Get FISA Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is the kind of stuff that Get FISA Right has done well in the past, for example finishing #5 in change.org&#8217;s Ideas for Change in America.  As well as resuming our dialog with President Obama, If we can get somebody to ask a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is the kind of stuff that Get FISA Right has done well in the past, for example finishing #5 in change.org&#8217;s Ideas for Change in America.  As well as resuming our dialog with President Obama, If we can get somebody to ask a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Congratulations, President Obama. Please &#8230; get FISA right. &#171; Get FISA Right</title>
		<link>http://newsrackblog.com/2009/01/16/were-number-5-were-number-5/#comment-3655</link>
		<dc:creator>Congratulations, President Obama. Please &#8230; get FISA right. &#171; Get FISA Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] cool is that?  All the more so because our top-five finish in change.org&#8217;s Ideas for Change in America (details TBD, latest update here), which means [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] cool is that?  All the more so because our top-five finish in change.org&#8217;s Ideas for Change in America (details TBD, latest update here), which means [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Nephew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Nephew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jon and Nell!  (Had to google &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_HCI" rel="nofollow"&gt;gender HCI&lt;/a&gt;, and learned HCI stands for human-computer interaction, and that "gender HCI" &lt;em&gt;"focuses on the design and evaluation of interactive systems for humans, with emphasis on differences in how males and females interact with computers."&lt;/em&gt;)

Re meeting others: I got a business card from the "Department of Peace" supporter sitting next to me, which is buried in my satchel somewhere now.  But I arrived with minutes to go before the press conference part started (stupid Metro), and had to leave early (stupid work :)).  Everybody else's job appeared to be "be at a press conference from 9am-11am."  So I didn't get to do much networking/meeting people.

I suppose I'm coming around to a more social-networky outlook as I'm exposed to what can be done with it.  Plus in some ways it's not that new: I think there's an element to it, at the basic level, that's kind of like yard signs:  "this is what I think" facebook displays, that often bring in friends and acquaintances: "Huh.  Why does he think that?  I'll check it out."  I know that around here, he/she who wins the yard sign race often wins the election.  There's a chicken/egg aspect to that, but yard signs definitely make it easier to imagine supporting the candidate.  Online "yard signs" have the added benefit that these yard signs are clickable, and can lead straight to organizations and/or knowledge about/of issues.

Missed the concert, Nell, but you make me think I shouldn't have.  Yes, the "niche" stuff bothered me a bit.  It could seem like he didn't "get" his own brainchild.  The groups that rise to the top of this kind of thing may well have geographically and/or demographically diffuse, diverse support bases -- but that makes it all the more remarkable that they can attract the level of support they do.  It's not "niche" so much as "not being listened to, yet, but quite sure they're right, and quite sure there are more like them" that seems to sum up the group's memberships to me.  Assuming they &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; right and keep growing, "niche" is one of the last available ways to ignore them before they sweep over, around, and past you.

Note to both: comments are displayed in the order received, but comments are also held for moderation for new commenters.  Sorry about the delay, Jon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jon and Nell!  (Had to google <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_HCI" rel="nofollow">gender HCI</a>, and learned HCI stands for human-computer interaction, and that &#8220;gender HCI&#8221; <em>&#8220;focuses on the design and evaluation of interactive systems for humans, with emphasis on differences in how males and females interact with computers.&#8221;</em>)</p>
<p>Re meeting others: I got a business card from the &#8220;Department of Peace&#8221; supporter sitting next to me, which is buried in my satchel somewhere now.  But I arrived with minutes to go before the press conference part started (stupid Metro), and had to leave early (stupid work :)).  Everybody else&#8217;s job appeared to be &#8220;be at a press conference from 9am-11am.&#8221;  So I didn&#8217;t get to do much networking/meeting people.</p>
<p>I suppose I&#8217;m coming around to a more social-networky outlook as I&#8217;m exposed to what can be done with it.  Plus in some ways it&#8217;s not that new: I think there&#8217;s an element to it, at the basic level, that&#8217;s kind of like yard signs:  &#8220;this is what I think&#8221; facebook displays, that often bring in friends and acquaintances: &#8220;Huh.  Why does he think that?  I&#8217;ll check it out.&#8221;  I know that around here, he/she who wins the yard sign race often wins the election.  There&#8217;s a chicken/egg aspect to that, but yard signs definitely make it easier to imagine supporting the candidate.  Online &#8220;yard signs&#8221; have the added benefit that these yard signs are clickable, and can lead straight to organizations and/or knowledge about/of issues.</p>
<p>Missed the concert, Nell, but you make me think I shouldn&#8217;t have.  Yes, the &#8220;niche&#8221; stuff bothered me a bit.  It could seem like he didn&#8217;t &#8220;get&#8221; his own brainchild.  The groups that rise to the top of this kind of thing may well have geographically and/or demographically diffuse, diverse support bases &#8212; but that makes it all the more remarkable that they can attract the level of support they do.  It&#8217;s not &#8220;niche&#8221; so much as &#8220;not being listened to, yet, but quite sure they&#8217;re right, and quite sure there are more like them&#8221; that seems to sum up the group&#8217;s memberships to me.  Assuming they <em>are</em> right and keep growing, &#8220;niche&#8221; is one of the last available ways to ignore them before they sweep over, around, and past you.</p>
<p>Note to both: comments are displayed in the order received, but comments are also held for moderation for new commenters.  Sorry about the delay, Jon.</p>
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		<title>By: Time to celebrate! (and Ideas for Change update) &#171; Get FISA Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Time to celebrate! (and Ideas for Change update) &#171; Get FISA Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 04:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] change.org&#8217;s press event on Friday featured some great speakers and got some nice press, for example Diego Graglia&#8217;s Immigrant Students, DREAM Act Supporters Hoping Obama Will Take Up Their Cause on Feet in 2 worlds, Nancy Scola&#8217;s Ideas for Change Settles on a top 10 on techPresident (which has the vote totals for the top ten finishers), and Prerna&#8217;s Undocumented Students Raise Voices Online for DREAM Act in New American Media (a great description of how our allies the DREAM Activists approached the competition).  Get FISA Right&#8217;s Thomas Nephew was there in-person and discussed it on newsrackblock.com in We&#8217;re Number 5!  We&#8217;re Number 5! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] change.org&#8217;s press event on Friday featured some great speakers and got some nice press, for example Diego Graglia&#8217;s Immigrant Students, DREAM Act Supporters Hoping Obama Will Take Up Their Cause on Feet in 2 worlds, Nancy Scola&#8217;s Ideas for Change Settles on a top 10 on techPresident (which has the vote totals for the top ten finishers), and Prerna&#8217;s Undocumented Students Raise Voices Online for DREAM Act in New American Media (a great description of how our allies the DREAM Activists approached the competition).  Get FISA Right&#8217;s Thomas Nephew was there in-person and discussed it on newsrackblock.com in We&#8217;re Number 5!  We&#8217;re Number 5! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations!

'Niche' ideas: like prosecution for torture, eh? Hm.

Well, I'm still in a mellow state after crying my eyes out in several spots during the 'We Are One' concert. Broke down completely when Pete Seeger led the crowd in the 'niche' verses to 'This Land is Your Land' right after Obama's speech... ;&#62;

Free on HBO at 7:00 if you have digital cable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations!</p>
<p>&#8216;Niche&#8217; ideas: like prosecution for torture, eh? Hm.</p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m still in a mellow state after crying my eyes out in several spots during the &#8216;We Are One&#8217; concert. Broke down completely when Pete Seeger led the crowd in the &#8216;niche&#8217; verses to &#8216;This Land is Your Land&#8217; right after Obama&#8217;s speech&#8230; ;&gt;</p>
<p>Free on HBO at 7:00 if you have digital cable.</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also a belated response on the help we got from our allies.  

I wasn't tracking precisely, but ... Bob and Democrats.com help was huge and on Tuesday (as our voting was going on) and the last few hours Thursday our numbers largely paralleled his: the final surge that carried him to #11 also carried us to #5.  And on Wednesday (or maybe early Thursday morning, can't remember) I remember noticing our numbers were rising in parallel with DREAM Activists, which probably reflected us reaching a largely-new audience.  LGBTQ and peace activists impact was harder to single out so I'm not sure ... and once again these are largely-new audiences.  

In the end we made it into the top 5 by only 5 votes, so it was the combined contribution of each of these allies put us over the top.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also a belated response on the help we got from our allies.  </p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t tracking precisely, but &#8230; Bob and Democrats.com help was huge and on Tuesday (as our voting was going on) and the last few hours Thursday our numbers largely paralleled his: the final surge that carried him to #11 also carried us to #5.  And on Wednesday (or maybe early Thursday morning, can&#8217;t remember) I remember noticing our numbers were rising in parallel with DREAM Activists, which probably reflected us reaching a largely-new audience.  LGBTQ and peace activists impact was harder to single out so I&#8217;m not sure &#8230; and once again these are largely-new audiences.  </p>
<p>In the end we made it into the top 5 by only 5 votes, so it was the combined contribution of each of these allies put us over the top.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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